The
Vatican (Monday, 10/26/2015, Gaudium Press) For Cardinal Daniel DiNardo, archbishop of
Galveston-Houston, the final report of Ordinary Synod of Bishops won’t be “an
ideal document” which is why he is glad that it “goes to the Holy Father” who
will make a decision on it.
In
an Oct. 21 interview with the Register, the cardinal also said he was pleased
that, whereas in the past synod fathers from developing countries might have
been “reticent to talk,” they were “very unafraid” to do so during this meeting.
Cardinal
DiNardo also spoke about the concerns over the methodology at the synod, and
the divorce-remarriage issue, noting that this year’s meeting has been one of
“conviviality” but not one of “harmony and consensus.”
What
will you take back to your diocese, and what are the issues that are
particularly important to America?
The
issues to my mind that are most important that came out of the synod are that
almost everyone agreed that the forms of preparation that we do for marriage
need to be invested with either greater energy, or we have to spend a longer
period of time — what the Italian group has called in some fashion — a remote,
proximate and immediate preparation for marriage. There was already talk about
this in Familiaris Consortio. I mean this is not something
totally new but it is maybe with more urgency. Some bishops have gone so far as
to say, in their ability to compare things, that we need a kind of marriage
catechumenate, that people have to come to grips with discipleship with Jesus
Christ, as well as entering into this beautiful covenant of marriage.
So
I think the entire reality around, given the cultures we live in today, of
marriage preparation is important. That’s been said by everybody, even in
countries like in Africa or in Asia, which may have different issues than the
West, than developed countries have. That’s really significant. When you hear
that coming from all over — and my group had like 15 different nations — you
realize this is a pretty significant issue for everybody. I think that is good.
One
of the other issues that I thought was good, certainly it was true before but
is very clear in this synod, is that the Church is universal and some of the
countries who in the past would have been reticent to talk are very, very
unafraid to talk right now.
You’ve
seen that, that’s a change for this synod?
Yeah,
I’ve seen what we would like to call the developing world, in particular we see
it in Africa, but we see it in other places too. I think that’s great.
Do
you see the African bishops upholding the tradition of the Church, in contrast
to some in the West?
Well
if, for them, if you look at that, and one of your problems is still polygamy,
you’re not going to be really interested in issues related to divorce and
remarriage. They are trying to really make stable what are in some ways
beautiful traditions: traditional families, that families together help
constitute what is a marriage. But they do not see the preoccupations maybe of
some of those in the West as that significant.
The
use of language has been very important too hasn’t it?
Yes,
being welcoming. I think that comes from the Holy Father. If you’re going to
accompany people you have to welcome them.
The
question I raise is: You have to welcome people and accompany them without
losing any sense of the truth what the faith teaches. And that can be tricky.
There’s no question, I think it’s sometimes a difficult issue.
Are
you concerned at all the Church’s teaching can be weakened by changes in
language? There was talk about doing away with the phrase “love the sinner,
hate the sin”?
I
think that’s a good distinction to make at times. If people are not living up
to the truth of the faith or Jesus’ words, you want to be inviting but in a
kind way speak the truth. That means you have to first invite them. You are not
going to at first sledgehammer them. A perfect example: I knew a couple, they
went to see a priest and he kind of threw them out. They were really furious.
The parents got them to talk to me. So first of all, I basically asked them,
“What’s happening in your lives. What’s your relationship to the Lord. Is there
some reason why you want to come now?” The problem with this is that it takes
time. Eventually they get to the point. You know the priest probably did it the
wrong way, but he made an important point, you’re living together, this is not
right. So that’s the point of accompaniment.
There
has been a lot of emphasis from the Holy Father and others on the Church as a
mother, nurturing others, but a lot of talk from the outside of the synod has
been that what people really want is a bit more fatherhood, and they want a bit
more truth. Do you think there has got to be a bit more balance in the
discussions?
Holding
mother and teacher together is never easy. Ask any mother and she’ll tell you.
I think the same is true for the Church. Whenever the Holy Father might, out of
his love for people, want to emphasize the accompaniment and mercy, as he does
this there’s going to be some elements, but what about the truth of things. And
if you emphasize the truth of things he’ll say you’re harsh, you’re intransigent.
So
it is a question of, as they’re using the word discernment, of prudence, good
judgment. There’s no recipe for that. There’s simply good training. Part of
this is a sideline of the training of priests and those of pastoral work. I
would agree. Training is to form them to my mind in the discipleship of faith
themselves is what this means. That’s going to be important if they are going
to approach people.
I’ve
found that in my archdiocese, our priests in my area are good with people who
approach them. They try hard. Now we have to make sure that when that happens
that we get these young couples to realize, you know, the cross is always going
to be there. You can’t deny the cross. There are groups of people who go to
churches where it has always an upbeat positive message. You know if you follow
the Lord you’re going to be successful. I’ve told my people in sermons in
homilies that it’s just not true. You know it’s just not true. Because the
centerpiece of the Christian message is the beauty and mercy of the cross. And
the cross is an invitation to follow. That requires sometimes discipline,
sorrow, toughness. I think we need that too. But a priest has to be a decent
enough judge of character to be able to know when to push when to step back and
say all right, let’s see where you’ve been. I hate to be involved and say I’m
going to take sides. I want to be on both sides of this. Because I think the
truth is very important.
Do
you think with the crisis of fatherhood in the West means it kind of demands
the priest to be a bit more assertive?
With
some people, sure, that would be necessary, where there is an absence as it
were of the notion of fatherhood. I also find that we find in some of our
families and some of our parents that they are so overly protective with the
kids at all times at every step of the way. The child never learns. Sometimes
you have to make your little choices. You may learn the hard way. A parent has
to accompany you and say this is wrong. And then on the other hand we have the
absentee. Well that’s very hard for young people.
I’ll
use this example, not because I want to go back and dwell on second marriage
and remarriage and all, but I had a person see me. I don’t know if it was about
a year and a half, two years ago. He was 12 years old and his sister was about
13 or 14 when his parents separated and divorced and remarried. Each parent had
another child I think. Just to give the background. This was 24 or 25 years
ago.
He
was 12 years old. Everyone was telling him this is not your fault, but you’ll
have to grow up now. He said: “I tried, but there was a problem there. I
shouldn’t have had to. I was only 12 years old.” And now his parents were
trying to be the kind that were remarried and re-approach the Church and
receive the sacraments. He was pretty negative about it.
But
I think he was pretty angry with both sets of parents. You know now that he’s
in his late 30s. It was in effect and I’m not saying he’s right in saying this,
“Now I’m going to be a child.” You were supposed to be an adult then and you
weren’t. You made a child try to grow up. His life was pretty traumatized by it
and he didn’t realize until he got older.
People
who deal with the issues of the divorced and remarried need to realize there’s
a whole grid of relationships that is affected by this. It’s much more
difficult. The church’s stand with the Lord Jesus on the sacramentality of
marriage, it’s irrefutable, is pretty important.
Do
you think that proposals to allow divorced and remarried Catholics to receive
holy Communion is going to be put to bed in this synod?
My
real answer, and I’m not trying to hedge the question, is that I don’t know. I
don’t know. Certainly there are large numbers of people in the synod who would
not be favorable. There are very strong voices who are favorable and I’m not
sure where it will all lead. All this goes to the Holy Father and who knows
what he might do.
It’s
one of those hot-button issues, so it gets all of the discussion and some of
the other things don’t. At the same time it’s an issue for which at this point
if people ask me what’s going to happen, I can’t say, I just don’t know.
Do
you think good can come from this in that it’s underlining the importance of
the sacrament and how to receive it with minimum requirement?
Yes,
I put it to people that I’m not favorable to this. So people come to me and say
I’m intransigent, and I say no, I just think it’s something if we say it’s
indissoluble then it has to be exclusive and the Church does provide. Even now
the Pope has been very generous in opening up and streamlining further the
annulments process so it’s not as though there aren’t some remedies. And the
remedy, even of spiritual communion which Pope Benedict had put forward. I
don’t think those who say that if you can do that you can go to communion
physically. I don’t necessarily follow that.
There
are degrees of our communion in the Church and I think we want to respect them.
It sounds so legalistic and I don’t mean it to be legal. The sacramentality of
marriage says something about the sacramentality of the Church. That’s my real
preoccupation, it really is.
It’s
also important to stress how receiving holy Communion without those
requirements, you heap condemnation on yourself?
Yes,
you cannot — in Paul, 1 Corinthians, it’s already mentioned that in the most
ancient Church it wasn’t just a blind invitation to receive the Eucharist. It
involves the reception of the body, blood of our Lord and I believe in that. It
also involves an understanding of who you are in the Church. … We are in a time
when the Church, as a good mother and teacher, is opening up and wants to
accompany people and so we do have some newness in the Church. At the same time
you cannot walk away from what I call the great Tradition — with a capital T —
of the faith, which is what Jesus’ words are. Paul… never said “it’s something
I invented.” I think that’s pretty important myself.
On
the question of clarity. There has been a lot of talk about the confusion that
this synod process has engendered. Are you confident or hopeful that the Pope
will issue a clarification?
Well,
I think what the Holy Father will do… I think we have to go back to our
dioceses and be clear on the teaching. No matter what, you know, even if we
tend to be more — and again I’m quoting — merciful or more traditional,
whatever you are you, have to show the big picture. If I’m going to say I don’t
favor this, I have to tell people.
I
still want to accompany people who have been divorced and remarried. There are
ways in which some of this, not all, can be ameliorated for you in terms of
Church life. You have to do a whole picture. I think that I’m going to start
out very positively. There are large numbers of very faithfully living families
in the sacrament of marriage in my local church in my country, in other
countries [too] and want to salute them. Want to tell them: “We are with you.”
I also want to say there are families that are hurting and all. We want to tell
them “We are with you, too.”
To
my people, I already told them that I was not favorable to an expansion, as it
were, of the reception of holy Communion to those who have been civilly
remarried, I mean divorced and remarried civilly, without the benefit of an
annulment or some form of it. A marriage to my mind is something public. That’s
what I’m trying to show.
There
are people who have written me and agree with me and love it, and there other
people who have written me and think that I’m a troglodyte. Hey, that’s what
happens. You can’t get angry. You have to try to keep explaining as best as you
can.
So
overall are you hopeful that the synod will bear good fruit?
I
think it will bear fruit, at least even in the areas where there is concord. If
we can go back home in the conferences, dioceses, whatever, and put some
renewed emphasis on the long term engagement of discipleship in what the
sacrament of marriage is as a vocation and a call to holiness, yeah, I think
that’s great. And I mean, that’s my real thinking: that we have to [have
more] catechesis, allowing more families who are good [to] be of help to
families struggling, and training people for marriage.
We’ve
already done this in my diocese. Couple-to-couple formation for those who are
engaged is one of the best ways to teach and form a couple that is getting
married. It’s far better than any course work you might do. But that family
who’s training them has to be themselves well-formed. We do some work on that
in our diocese. But the couple-to-couple experience has usually been proven for
the engaged to be very good.
Then,
what we aren’t good at in most of the churches, is the follow-up after they are
married. We are discovering and finding out that the first five to eight years
of marriage is tough.
Frequently
these couples are on their own. That’s probably not good. We’ve got to find
ways when they move in to invite them to the parish right away. And you’ve got
to stick with them and find ways in which you can support them in their married
life. I think if we’ve heard this from one, we’ve heard this, you know, from 75
bishops or experts or even families saying: You’ve got to get to them once they
are married. It’s probably a weakness.
A
lot of people have said the crisis isn’t a crisis of marriage or family so much
as a crisis of faith. What do you say about that?
I
mean one could say at any given time, Jesus’s words in the Gospel of Luke:
“When the son of man comes will he ever find faith on earth?” It takes various
forms in different times and different cultures.
To
my mind, questions of difficulties in faith are always an issue, either because
of the media, because of a certain outbreak of kinds of modernity that see
people as just isolated individuals. … Modernity has not always been kind to,
what I could call, the body of Christ as a corporate body living out the faith.
So therefore I can see people saying that, but as far as people coming to faith
who are staying in the faith, that’s more of a perennial issue, maybe, than
we’d like to admit. And wouldn’t that have to be true? The message of Jesus is
very — and we are used to hearing it — very radical, the invitation to faith
and growth to conversion. It’s grace that helps do it.
Of
course it’d be the only way, but our cooperation with grace is sometimes
difficult. Flannery O’Connor, whom I love, said in some of her letters — people
would ask her about the faith, back then in the Church, she would be more
stringent, she says: “Wait a minute, grace has to cut before it can heal and we
don’t like that.”
And
I think that’s true and it’s true with everybody. It’s not just true with
married people. It’s true with priests, it’s true with bishops. So grace has to
cut before it can heal. Most of the time we aren’t happy with that so we try to
find another way which isn’t the way of God’s grace and mercy.
What
are your brief reflections on the Pope’s speech of last week regarding
decentralization?
I
think some decentralization can always be good, but the centrifugal forces of
the Church are much more intense right now than the centripetal ones. So we
have to be conscious of some practices of the Church which I don’t want to see
happening regional, like divorce and remarriage. There are other issues that
can be handled more at the local and regional level. I’m happy to see some of
that happening. But this particular issue I would not want to see handled just
regionally.
Some
people have thought it might be wiser to give a little more freedom to bishops
in terms of liturgy, the liturgy’s very precious, we have to be careful. Some
things yes can be done probably more regionally but I’m not convinced yet the
translation should be handled just regionally. A review by Rome is pretty
helpful whenever you’re dealing with texts. Liturgical texts are very important.
Are
they any other reflections you’d like to make?
I
think the synod is a great experience. I want to express my great appreciation
for so many families and married couples, even some of them in difficulty, who
strive valiantly to live the Christian faith in a culture that doesn’t always
appreciate them and occasionally even sneers at them.